Went all out on 100m this morning

You will be a FOP swimmer in most triathlons.  That said, working on speed/distance is not an either/or proposition.  You work on both and get faster at both.

Still include some faster work up there at times because there are good things about training at a variety of paces, but you won't really need to put an emphasis on it.

You should work to drop all your paces.  Your focus should be on those you care most about for racing, and doing the work necessary to achieve that, but doing the work to drop your all-out 100 time likely helps your 1500 time too.  When you bike & run, you should do some higher intensity stuff there, as well--some 'dichotomy' in training is a good thing for development.  You do have to be a bit more judicious/cautious about how much intensity you include in running (and when you start introducing much more than some strides--not quite 'all out' speed work over short distances).  But training in the 3 sports is not as 'completely different' as you might think.

You'll be in the front third or even front 20-25%, most likely in a typical triathlon.

When you're at your pool or local masters, how many other swimmers are typically swimming faster than you? 

Try this for more age appropriate in scy. I could only find the download one on short notice, not web-based.

Here has all three types, but is a few years old.

Don't get carried away    .......2 things:  Your 1:06 will not transfer to a :57 with a block start so you aren't near "between AA and AAA".  Next, you likely swam your 100M in a 25 M pool right?  Those times you are looknig at are for a 50M pool.....so add 2 or 3 seconds back to your time.....your 1:06 in a 25M pool, even off the wall, is likely very close to your 100M tim ein a 50M pool considering 2 extra turns.  In a 25M pool your 1:06 is not even a BB time for 16-17 year old boys.

Your swim is good....FOP or first out in local races.....top 5- 10% in national AG races..... but 3rd - 4th pack (very MOP) in ITU racing even at the Jr. level.

Gotcha....I was still looking at the 16-17 boys chart.  In any event, like I said, your swim is good....it'll put you where I ended my post.  You're actually a bit off of those since I imagine your 100M pace for 750-1500 is more like 1:20/100, yeah?

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Originally posted by Sidney Porter Not that it goes up to you age but the motivational times gives you an idea what is fast. That would put you at BB for a 17-18 year old. But you said you went off the wall I think that diving would get you into (or close to) A races. If you were at 1:06 pushing off the wall I think diving is going to be 4 seconds or so? You going the first few meters in the air, you will be moving faster when you hit the water resistance and you will get a longer stream line. The chart shows LCM, SCM and SCY. http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/247b781e-ec16-406d-bc... edit This is interesting it shows a break down of swimmer in each category http://www.usaswimming.org/_Rainbow/Documents/0c02f175-1bfc-4cfc-ac...

Very cool reports. Thanks.

Try this for more age appropriate in scy. I could only find the download one on short notice, not web-based.

Here has all three types, but is a few years old.

Awesome. Thanks!! So that puts me between AA and A then, assuming I'd drop a second or two off the blocks. Good to know and it gives me a goal to strive for.

I went through the thread to the last page and there is an updated motivational list for 2014 here: http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?15722-Masters-Motivational-Ti... Some of the comments noted that the earlier list included speed suits and so these times are more realistic because they are post speed suits. BTW...what was the deal with those suits? Were they like wetsuits or something? This puts my time between AAA and AA depending on how much time I would take off for a block start. Cool cool.

Don't get carried away    .......2 things:  Your 1:06 will not transfer to a :57 with a block start so you aren't near "between AA and AAA".  Next, you likely swam your 100M in a 25 M pool right?  Those times you are looknig at are for a 50M pool.....so add 2 or 3 seconds back to your time.....your 1:06 in a 25M pool, even off the wall, is likely very close to your 100M tim ein a 50M pool considering 2 extra turns.  In a 25M pool your 1:06 is not even a BB time for 16-17 year old boys.

Your swim is good....FOP or first out in local races.....top 5- 10% in national AG races..... 3rd pack in ITU racing even at the Jr. level.

This is how I read it. The SCM which I take to be a 25 m pool (I swam all 25 yd pools in high school and that's the limit of my experience, so I don't know all the lingo) for 100 m 35-39 shows AAA at 1:02 and change and AA at about 1:06. I was 1:06 off the wall, which is why I said I'd probably be between the two. I may be screwing this up though, again, this is all new to me.

Gotcha....I was still looking at the 16-17 boys chart.  In any event, like I said, your swim is good....it'll put you where I ended my post.  You're actually a bit off of those since I imagine your 100M pace for 750-1500 is more like 1:20/100, yeah?

Yeah, about that. My "cruising" speed that I use for warm ups, cool downs, etc is around 1:30/100m. When I push on longer swims I can do low 1:20's. I could maintain 1:20 for 1,000m but probably not 1,500 if I know I have to run and bike still. More to the lack of lingo...I'm assuming UTI isn't urinary track infection. Is it like the triathlon championships or something? Wait..reread it and see that it's ITU...but leaving that in because it's funny.

By ITU I was referring to draft legal racing.....jit was ust to give you an idea of where your time stacks up.  So.....in reality, you will probably be closer to 1:25- 1:30/ 100M in an open water swim af 750-1500M.  That's still a good swim and puts you solidly right near the line for top 10% at large AG races.  For Jr. Elite (16-19) draft legal raci9ng it means your day is over when you get out of the water......again, just to give you an idea of where you are  up and down the line.  Don't slack on your swimming.....it can be a true weapon for you.  Most racers don't have even one really good weapon.

Nope....I was looking at the wrong chart.

You can go here to see how it breaks down for a large AG race.....this is AG Sprint Nationals from this year.  Top 10 swims (out of ~1700) were all 1:08-1:10/ 100Y.  1:21/100Y was 176, so you're right at top 10% if you adjust to meters.

http://www.pigmantri.com/jmsracing/results14/usatage14f.pdf